Pacing & Racing: CBD Podcast Chat

Will CBD Show up in a drug test? Will you get high? Does it matter what type of CBD you use? What are effective doses and methods of consumption? And how does this benefit athletic performance? These are some of the themes we explore together in The Pacing and Racing Podcast highlighting CBD for Endurance Athletes!

 

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The Pacing and Racing Podcast – CBD For Endurance Athletes- What you need to know! 

[00:00:00] Jay: [00:00:00] The endocannabinoid system focus on the root word there. Cannabinoid uses cannabinoids in signaling, as neuro-transmitters CBD is a cannabinoid. It’s a phytocannabinoid meaning that comes from plants, but it’s essentially the same thing that our body is already making. So that when we ingest CBD, we’re putting something into our body that our body already has.

We have an endocannabinoid system. We don’t have an ibuprofen system. We don’t have a opioid system, you know, the, all these other things that we tend to take those go in and interact in the body in such a way that yes, there may be benefit on one side, but you have a lot of side effects for people on the other side.

Steven: [00:00:50] That was Jay O’Hare, the founder of Venga CBD. And this is his story on the pacing racing podcast.

[00:01:00] All right, what’s happening. Welcome back. And welcome to the first time listeners. My name’s Steven . I’m the host of pacing racing, the podcast, helping you reach optimal health and endurance through learning from the world’s brightest health experts and the world’s most talented endurance athletes. Now joining us today is Jay O’Hare to talk about how athletes can you CBD to improve their overall quality of life, as well as performance.

Now Jay is one of the founders of Vanga CBD, which is an American based CBD company who puts an emphasis on CBD being super beneficial partners. Clearly for endurance athletes. Now Jay’s recognize that CBD can benefit endurance athletes in at least six integral ways. It will assist recovery, improve mental resilience.

Help with pain management, reduce inflammation, improve your sleep and help you through an injury. So this is an exciting episode to chat about because we’ve heard all the craze on CVD, but many might be [00:02:00] new to the concept of it being beneficial in our sport. And you may have recognized some pro triathletes on the circuit recently having announced partnerships with CBD companies like Angela needs and Matt Hansen.

And I honestly think you’ll be seeing more and more of this in the years to come. And you might already be questioning. How has it allowed if tsetse consumption is prohibited in triathlon? Well, Jay is here to break down all that for us. He’ll answer all the frequently asked questions and he’ll explain how it works in our body, how to get started with CBD and how to incorporate it into your daily work, how will improve your overall performance.

And of course, he’s got all the research to back it up. So guys without further ado, let’s get into it.

All right. So Jay, welcome to the show, man. How are you doing? Hey, Steven, I’m doing great. having a good day here in Steamboat Springs, Colorado, and I’m excited to be on your show. Yeah, man, I’m excited to be chatting here about CBD with you today. I [00:03:00] know it’s a big, hot topic and let’s paint a picture for listeners, I guess, about who you are and what your background is.

And ultimately, I guess what led you down the road of CBD and becoming. Yeah, founder of Vanga CBD. Yeah. So again, you know, Jay, my name is Jay O’Hare. I live in Steamboat Springs, Colorado, and I’ve been, an entrepreneur and an endurance athlete for 20 plus years. and, loved, you know, my, my jam is trail running ultras, but trail running is just, an absolute amazing sport for me.

And, And so I’ve been doing entrepreneurial stuff for a long time and it was very early in e-commerce days. whole host of things on that end. So really been one to be in the technology  space and, About two years ago, I had an opportunity to go to work for, a CBD manufacturing company and help them with some of their operations and get things streamlined.

Jay: [00:03:51] And, and that was really my first introduction to CBD. And interestingly enough, like I didn’t really have a reason to take it. [00:04:00] It was just like, I guess I better drink the Koolaid. I’ll be working for this company. And what I noticed even was after about two weeks, What I noticed was, I mean, I was fine. I didn’t have any injuries.

you know, I think my recovery was pretty good, so it really wasn’t, I wasn’t really taking it for any reason other than just out of curiosity. And, but after about two weeks, what I noticed was that mentally things were a lot calmer. And, the reason why I noticed that that is because I started taking it a few weeks before the Christmas holidays.

And the Christmas holidays roll around. And as, as you know, in many cases, it’s could be a stressful time with, you know, family things and all kinds of obligations and things like that. And I noticed that like, I was really, really calm and, so my progression was CBD, you know, it started there kept going and it just became clear to me that endurance athletes, are a special breed for sure.

And they’re ones where. When, [00:05:00] the sport that we love really becomes a part of our identity. And it’s who we are. And when something happens that threatens that whether it’s an injury, some sort of strain, something that keeps you out of the game, like it feels like part of your, part of your identity has been taken away.

And so, as I was working for this company, at the same time, I noticed that there were so many choices of. Concentrations and types of ways of, of taking CBD that people were very, very confused. And so I said, gosh, you know, this is a way that can really help endurance athletes stay in the game. And. I said, I think I can start a company that’s very, very focused, focused on endurance athletes makes products only for endurance athletes.

Like each product that we have. We only have three products. but each one is specifically made for a part of your endurance life. And go out and help athletes help these athletes stay in the [00:06:00] game. And so we started bingo, about two years ago and, Venga is so it’s Venga CBD and Venga is a Spanish term.

it means come on, let’s go. And. You know, if you’ve watched the tour de France and you’ll see in the, in, when they’re in the, parentees all the Spaniards on the side of the road and they’re all yelling  so, so that’s, you know, that’s the, the spirit behind the name of the company. And, so we’re having a blast and we’ve got some of the best products out there, and I’m not just saying that cause it’s my company, but that was another piece too, is that people got very, very confused and.

You know, Steven, I think this is a timely conversation to have, because two years ago, a lot of people had barely heard of CBD. They didn’t even really know what it was. They thought it was pot. all kinds of confusion around that. Now people are seeing CBD everywhere. They’re seeing it gas stations and all that.

And so what’s happened is while people might become, have become more accepting of it. [00:07:00] They’re also becoming more confused because there are now so many choices and what’s the different in this one and that one. So this is a great conversation to have today. So that’s a little bit of a, of a, of a background of, of, of where I come from and how we got the company started.

Awesome. Yeah, no, I think it’s an incredible company. I love how you guys are directed towards endurance athletes and you said it so well there in the sense that it’s become such a hot trend these days, but there’s a lot of confusion around that. And, you know, I guess before we dig deep into a lot of these frequently asked questions, can you sort of explain the difference between hemp and marijuana?

Because both are cannabis, but both will have different traces of CBD or THC and therefore they’ll have different purposes, right? Absolutely. Yeah, so they’re both cannabis, but, marijuana is going to be very high in the psychoactive component, THC. So that’s the, that’s the part that gets you high. and marijuana is going to be lower in CBD and CBD is short for cannabidiol and, and CBD [00:08:00] is what we call a cannabinoid hemp on the other hand is very low in THC.

But very high in the quantity of CBD in hemp. So, so that’s, that’s really the distinction. So th the things that we’re talking about today, Comes from the hemp plant, which here in the United States is now legal. the 2018 farm bill made hemp and its derivatives, completely federally legal. there might be some pockets.

Here are some States where, there’s some restrictions on that, but, but generally speaking CBD comes from hemp and, it turns out Steven that there are also a couple of different. Grades of hemp, if you will, there has the lowest would be what we call industrial hemp and industrial hemp is, used for things like, rope, textiles, food products, some of those types of things.

And interestingly too, and this is why we can get to this a little bit later. [00:09:00] hemp is what we call a bio accumulator, meaning that it sucks up all the stuff that’s in the soil. And so hemp is used oftentimes in places like chemical spills, things like that in, in, in the land around that, because the hemp will absorb.

All those toxins in, in the soil. And so that becomes an important piece as we can talk about later on in terms of where it’s grown, what the lab reports say, things like that. So, you know, there can be a lot of CBD, that comes from hemp, grown in China. And, you know, they’re, you know, if they’re growing, hemp next to some sort of, factory or chemical plant, you know, that could be a problem.

So we want to make sure that we’re looking at the. Lab reports of the CBD to see, you know, if there are any toxins in there, pesticides, those kinds of things. So that’s the real distinction. So again, hemp high in CBD, low THC marijuana high in THC that gets you high and, and, and low [00:10:00] in CBD. Awesome.

No, you said it perfectly there and, and yeah, just to reiterate that, right? Like, so THC, as you mentioned, has a psychoactive component and, you know, aside from just getting the high, I guess that apparently help people with PTSD or severe pains, but as a turns athletes, I think everyone should be more focused on the benefits that lie within CBD and.

You know, when they have found those really fascinating. Now I read your endurance athletes guide book to CBD, and it’s really fascinating. I encourage everyone at the end to go get a copy of it and we’ll explain how at the end, but can you just sort of explain how CBD interacts with the human endocannabinoid system and how it motivates us to exercise?

Cause I thought that was really neat. Yeah. So CBD is, again, it’s a, it’s what we call a cannabinoid and we have a system in our body called the endocannabinoid system. And the endocannabinoid system is like, if you could imagine, it’s, it’s a signaling system in our body that helps different aspects of our body.

[00:11:00] Talk to each other and talk to the brain. And, so the endocannabinoid system. Focus on the root word there. Cannabinoid uses cannabinoids in signaling in, as, as neuro-transmitters CBD is a cannabinoid. It’s a phytocannabinoid meaning that comes from plants, but it’s essentially the same thing that our body is already making.

So that when we ingest CBD, we’re putting something into our body that our body already has. We have an endocannabinoid system, we don’t have an ibuprofen system. We don’t have a opioid system. You know, the, all these other things that we tend to take those go in and interact in the body in such a way that yes, there may be benefit on one side.

But you have, a lot of side effects for people on the other side. So CBD [00:12:00] works to help our endocannabinoid system function more efficiently and more effectively. And so the result of that is going to be, especially for endurance athletes. One of the primary benefits of CBD is that it’s an anti inflammatory.

So inflammation is our immune system’s response to some sort of trauma. And while inflammation is good in that it, brings fluid, and, and elements to an injured area. It is kind of like a binge eater. Like it doesn’t know when to stop. And so, immune system kind of goes into overdrive and kind of going and, and, and produces, inflammation.

and it’s too much. And so the endocannabinoid system can help the immune system be more imbalanced and not produce as much inflammation or reduce the inflammation such that then pain is reduced. so that is just one of the [00:13:00] ways, one of the primary ways that CBD can benefit endurance athletes, because oftentimes the pain that we feel.

From training, from racing for whatever that might be in our joints. Muscles is from that inflammation, is that it’s the, it’s the damage that we’re doing to our body. Our immune system goes in, it starts to release pain, transmitters, and, and inflammation. And so the endocannabinoid system. If that is functioning effectively and properly can help bring that into balance, which then reduces the pain, reduces the inflammation speeds, recovery.

That’s huge. Right? It’s amazing to hear how it’s such a natural, a therapeutic effect on our system. And I guess I want to cover some of the. You know, the frequently asked questions, I guess, before we dive in here, any, any deeper, and I guess one of the common questions you, you sort of already touched on it now, how CBD is legal in most areas, but CBD oil, can it get you high or has anyone gotten high off of it?

So CBD by itself [00:14:00] can not, can not get you high. You don’t get, you don’t get high off CBD. There, there have been situations where, so. Like I said earlier, the hemp plant does have trace amounts, small amounts of THC in it. And that THC can find then does find its way into some CBD products. Beauty products that are, that are, are, are marketed.

As we call folds spectrum. Those will have trace amounts of THC in them. for 99.9, 9% of the people out there. That’s not going to get them high, but depending on. what the concentration of THC is in there and how much of it that they take at one time. You know, we have heard of instances of people having, having some, some effects on that, like, wow, this, you know, this kind of did something, but part the CBD itself is not going to, you know, one of the things that.

That’s important for us is that all of our products, we actually take all the THC out, we leave and all the good stuff, but take the THC out so that [00:15:00] like you can take as much, you know, and you’re not going to get high that the second component to that is. that CBD is incredibly safe. It’s nontoxic.

And, you know, you really can’t take too much of it. In other words, there are studies out there where people have been taking, 800 milligrams a day, to put that in perspective. The bottle that we sell for a, you know, a 30 day supply or 30, 30, a soft gels is 750 milligrams. So there are studies where people have been taking like an entire bottle plus a day, know that no ill side effects.

If your body doesn’t need it, it just gets excrete. It, wow. That’s fantastic. Right. And that’s really important here. I think that that’s really crucial because a lot a big misconception is because it’s so correlated so closely correlated to THC that people might think it. Has those effects on you. And now I guess, to play devil’s advocate and on that for people say, who, you know, take it during the day and say they are a truck driver or something like that, right along those lines, do you [00:16:00] recommend those people should obviously be using that, you know, stick a bedtime, use the CBD, like, you know, if it and your mental resilience, what’s the difference between that and THC for everyday use?

So a couple of things on that end. one, there have been studies where, small doses of CBD have actually been used in shown official for narcolepsy, which is kind of interesting and then larger doses, you know, 50 milligrams and up have been used and are beneficial for sleep. So, what we recommend that people do is, if they’re concerned about it, And you’re, and you’ve never taken it before, start taking it at nighttime before you go to bed.

that way, like, you’re totally safe if it’s gonna, if it’s going to cause any drowsiness, that is a real, their occurrence in, in our experience. most people take it and, and they’re just, and they’re just fine. So, and, and, but because of the, of the way in which it can really calm the mind and balance the mind, what ends up happening is people end up sleeping a lot better or because they don’t [00:17:00] have that, you know, monkey mind is going, it’s going a million miles an hour in the morning.

Right. so they’re much calmer. So we have, you know, some people, for example, we’ve got, OCR pro athlete, Heather Goldman, she, is, is one of our, on our, on our protein and. After two days of taking it, she said, Jay, this is the best I’ve ever slept in my life. and you know, we have many, many, testimonials from customers who reach out to us and say, Oh my gosh, you know, I got it because, I needed some help with recovery and it certainly helped with that.

But what I found was that my sleep has never been better. So, so there’s certainly is that effect as well. Yeah, sleep is huge alongside recovery. I think sleep is such an important concept for any endurance athlete or anyone in general, to be honest with you, but it’s a bonus for endurance athletes to have quality sleep.

So that’s huge. And you know, a lot of big named athletes, as you just mentioned one there, but a lot of them are partnering alongside CBD companies now. And one of the questions actually we discussed, you know, before, when we plan out this podcast was, you know, what exactly would the stance be of say the ITU or Ironman [00:18:00] or the Olympics per se on CBD use?

If. Like, if not athlete would be drug tested, I know was a common question. What do people have to be mindful of? You know, I guess age groupers, per se. Yeah. So I think age groupers they’re, they’re safe, right? I mean, if you’re not being tested, like you’re going to be safe. the, the, the, but there is a bit of a distinction if you are being tested.

And that is first of all, that CBD, CBD the cannabidiol itself, that single cannabinoid. That is legal with WADA and you sought, and that there are other cannabinoids they’re CBN, CBG CBA. There are other cannabinoids. And what the, what those bodies have said is CBD is legal. All other cannabinoids are banned.

So, so the challenge is that if you have the full spectrum or a broad spectrum product, And again, full spectrum is going to have everything for the plant, including the THC [00:19:00] broad spectrum. Like what we sell is going to have everything from the plant, except THC. That’s the only thing that’s taken out.

Those are going to contain the other cannabinoids that are banned. Now it’s not clear whether any of those bodies, testing bodies are actually testing for the other cannabinoids. We’ve had several athletes who have gotten tested and they pass and that’s been fine. the other thing is that these are band, for, in competition use.

So, that’s where there’s a third type of CBD that these athletes can take. And that’s called a CBD isolate. And that’s where we’ve done it. We have isolated CBD, hence the term isolate so that it’s just CBD all by itself. None of the other cannabinoids and terpenes that are contained within the plant are included.

Now studies show that [00:20:00] that type of CBD is effective, but not as effective as a whole plant. solution. So, I would say that, you know, broad spectrum and full spectrum, those are, those are whole plant, types of CBD because you’re having the other, the other cannabinoids in there, that helps CBD work in the body.

However, so if someone’s going to be tested and they’re concerned about the other cannabinoids, then. an isolate is the way to go. And like we have one product like our gummies, for example, that serves two purposes for us. One. It helps because when you make something that you’re going to be chewing and eating, the isolate works better.

And two it’s also one that doesn’t contain the other cannabinoids, but for the vast, vast, vast majority of people, taking, you know, a broad spectrum product with no THC in it, is, is totally fine. Awesome. No, that’s good to clarify. Right. And I think that put a lot of people at ease and understand, because again, you see every now and then someone gets tested positive for [00:21:00] THC of some sort, right?

So that’s always kind of a concern. Mind you a professional. I think it’s rare. The age group, if at all, will get tested unless they’re, you know, Doing above average, I guess I would say. Right. So it’s interesting to hear that and, and good to know that there’s different types and what they should be mindful of if they’re ever going to have that possibility of being tested.

So that’s amazing. And you know, let’s get into some of those therapeutic effects and the benefits, I guess, specifically pertaining to endurance athletes here. I know we spoke on a few there, you touched on inflammation and how it’s an antiinflammatory, which is huge because. I guess endurance athletes are so prone to inflammation with their just rigorous training.

Right. And alongside the inflammation, you’ve already mentioned that sleep. Right. So can we just kind of expand on those two topics just before we move on from those? Yeah. Okay. So, great questions. So again, CBD is going to work with the endocannabinoid system in our body. CBD is a cannabinoid. We have an endocannabinoid system, so it’s going into work with a system in our body and that system.

The, the, the purpose of that system [00:22:00] is a neurotransmitter system in our body. And its function is to keep everything flowing and imbalance. So the way I like to describe it is, if you could imagine like traffic lights and there’s gotta be some sort of system that’s monitoring traffic flow and adjusting the traffic lights.

So that. The cars are traveling the right speeds and there’s not traffic jams and those kinds of things. So the endocannabinoid system is that system of justing the traffic lights to let everything flow, correctly. that’s a way oversimplified simplified example, but that’s essentially actually what’s going on in our body.

And so when something gets out of balance, like an injury, like inflammation, what ends up happening is. Our immune system kicks in, for that injury. And that’s where the inflammation comes from. Cause inflammation is a result of our immune system. The endocannabinoid system wants run flow smoothly. And when, when, when the, [00:23:00] immune system goes into overdrive, because again, the immune system can be kind of like a binge eater.

You know, it just doesn’t know when to stop. It just, it just keeps going. If we, if our endocannabinoid system is functioning properly and, and effectively, it can regulate the amount of inflammation that’s going to happen, that we’re going to, that we’re going to get, and then it can actually reduce that inflammation as well.

So it’s doing it’s, it’s reducing the inflammation in our body in a very natural and healthy way, in terms of what it does with sleep and the brain, It works, very, very similar to, the way that a, an antidepressant might work, like one of these SSRI, you know, it, it, it, it works in that way, with the, production of adenosine.

So the, the effect is that our brains are just, things are much more balanced. Like we’re not feeling these anxiety. You mean a lot of people take CBD for anxiety. I could tell you [00:24:00] starting, starting and running a new business, there, there are a lot of, I mean, I think, I think being entrepreneur might be the ultimate endurance sport.

and you know, there, there are a lot of, you know, really anxious moments and, and, What I noticed and what my partner notices too, is this, that we’re just much, much more balanced and that’s important for an endurance athlete because as we know, you know, we can, we can get that in a, that aerobic engine, as, as conditioned as we possibly can.

And that what ends up happening is in, during a race or something like that. Inevitably something is going to go wrong. it could be weather equipment, course, markings, maps, whatever that might be, something’s going to happen. if you’re doing something for a long amount of time and the more calm that we can be in dealing with that issue, dealing with that challenge.

The less energy we’re going to burn the better decisions we’re going to make and the more successful we’re going to be [00:25:00] at it. So, so, so being able to be really calm in the face of some serious challenges is, is extremely beneficial to endurance athletes. so those two pieces, are, are, you know, essential components of how CBD can help endurance athletes.

That’s huge. Right. And, you know, as you spoke on mental resilience, you know, CBD, thereby reducing stress anxiety, I think that can go a long way in people’s lives, too. Right. And that just plays over. It’s a ripple effect on what it can do. So it’s pretty fascinating to hear that and how it’s just all natural.

So a big fan of that, and, you know, a couple of interesting points I read as well, that endurance athletes, I’m sure are quite fond of, is that it. CBD will improve fat metabolism. It reduces insulin sensitivity and improves mitochondrial health. So like that was fascinating here. Cause that’s, that’s pretty impressive.

And I didn’t know that before reading that guide. So I think that’s pretty incredible. Yeah. So I mean, what we, what, what we know is that, CBD plays a role in, for example, like our digestion, There was a study that came out last year, between, John Hopkins and [00:26:00] Vanderbilt university with Crohn’s disease patients.

And they saw how. CBD, benefited Crohn’s disease patients, and, you know, the, the mitochondrial density and that sort of stuff that, that starts to get a little bit beyond my pay grade. but we have seen that, you know, where that obviously with, endurance athletes, the more efficient we can be.

At burning fat, the more successful we’re going to be in our sport. Huge. No, I love that. There’s endless benefits to it. So, you know, I’m super pumped about this. I hope the listeners are too so far because there’s just so much value in all this. And now I guess like where people may originally be concerned that it might make them high or not themselves.

Conversely, I think that was a common thing that people might’ve thought of early on in the days. Right. You’re saying now that, of course, if you extract that THC from this component, you’re not going to get that sort of negative effect that people don’t want. Right. I just wanna make sure that people are clear and clear before they go on this podcast, that, that won’t happen to them with your [00:27:00] CBD products, right?

Absolutely. Absolutely. A hundred percent. And, you know, and we can get into bioavailability in a minute. Cause I think that’s an important topic too, in terms of how much actually gets in your bloodstream. You know, because that’s going to have an effect. And, but certainly the THC component, like with ours, we use a liquid chromatography process during manufacturing that basically it takes out all the THC, but leaves everything else.

that’s beneficial, from the hemp plant in, and that’s, and so that’s important. So it’s getting in your body, it’s got the best chance to, has all the, has all the, the other components that help it work effectively in the body. Perfect. Awesome. Well, let’s talk about how to apply this, I guess, in everyday routine.

I mean, they, first off, you briefly mentioned the beginning. I want to reiterate that again. Like, let’s talk about some pointers, I guess, in buying that potent high quality CBD, because you mentioned there about buying the CBD from China. It could ha it wouldn’t be say as potent or high quality as something more locally bodies should say.

Right. So can you [00:28:00] sort of expand on that? Like what should people be looking at if they want to find a company that they want to buy a product from? Is there any kind of tips on that? Yeah, so for sure. So there’s a couple of things to know about. CBD, as people are looking at this, the first is, understand that, you know, it’s called CBD oil for a reason because it’s an oil and, that poses some problems with the human body because our bodies are 60 plus percent water.

And we all know that oil and water don’t mix. So what that means is just like any other oil that we might ingest is that we’re all actually only getting a fraction. Of what we’re ingesting into our bloodstream to make a difference. So, with something like a typical CBD oil product, you’re getting about 10 to 15% actually in your bloodstream to make a difference.

And this is, this is a real challenge for CBD. we’ve got a solution to it because, you know, if you, if you spend [00:29:00] a hundred dollars on CBD, but you’re only getting $10 actually in your body like that, that kind of sucks. You know? And, and as an athlete, you know, you want, you want to make sure that like, you’re monitoring your calories, you’re monitoring your training, you’re monitoring what you’re taking in.

Like you want to know, okay. I took this much CBD. You know how much actually got in into my body to make a difference. the term for that is called bioavailability. So again, typical CBD bioavailability of about, about 10 to 15%. So that’s important for people to know. and, what we do this a little bit different is we actually, use a process called nano emulsion technology, which basically makes our.

CBD water soluble. So when you look at side-by-side, if you took two different, if you took our CBD and somebody else’s CBD and put them side by side, you’ll see that. A typical CBD kind of looks like you put, olive oil, for example, in water, it just is in clumps of oil. Like [00:30:00] that’s what it does. Ours turns the water color, like it’s completely dissolved in water.

Well, the result of that, the benefit is you’re getting 85 plus percent bioavailability, meaning 85 plus percent of what you’re taking is actually getting the bloodstream to make a difference. Most CBD companies like. They really don’t want to talk about that because it’s hard and it’s expensive to make a water soluble CBD, you know, and a lot of companies are out there and they want to make as much money as they can.

so they’re, you know, they, they just use the stuff that’s out there. Again, we’re focused on what’s the best product for endurance athletes. So, so we go that extra step and do the nano emulsion, which is which again is hard to do, but. It makes a huge difference. In fact, I’ve got, a gentleman reached out to me yesterday and he’s been buying CBD at the, at the gas station and he, and he actually emailed to say, Hey, listen, my, I cannot believe the difference that this makes over [00:31:00] the junk that I’ve been buying, you know, a gas station.

So yeah, there is, it’s not all created equal. And so, so I think that’s. Just to set the table a little bit in terms of what people should look for. The second thing that people should look for is the company transparent in their lab reports. lab reports are important because it gives the customer and understanding of, the third party, independent lab reports.

Cause it lets them know what’s actually in it. it’s tested for all of the different cannabinoids and THC is tested for heavy metals. It’s tested for, pesticides. So that’s important to take a look at the lab reports and that a company is willing to, publish them. it’s, you know, it’s, it is it’s, you know, from our standpoint, it is, it’s more steps it’s compliance.

Every, every batch that we get in has a new lab report, you know, making sure that the lot number on the bottle matches the lab report it’s on the website and all that, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s a, a bunch of extra steps, but it’s important because [00:32:00] it’s transparency and people, people will know, you know, what’s actually in what they’re putting in their body.

And then I think the third thing is like, how accessible the company? Do they have phone numbers? Do they have live chat? Can you talk to somebody? Are they knowledgeable? Like, what are they doing? Cause there’s just so many companies that, you know, throw things up. And this is again where I said earlier, I think that, CBD is, has, has become much, much more accepted, but with that, there is much, much more choice.

And so now people are confused as to like, why would I get this over that over those guys? So you really want to look at that. You want to look at verified testimonials. so those kinds of things, and doing your homework, can really be helpful in choosing a good product. Yeah, are all excellent, great tips.

I love that. And, and looking at, I guess, methods of consuming CBD, and you know, this, again goes back to the bioavailability of CBD and how plays a role like there’s there’s. So there’s topical, we have capsules and tinctures and, can you sort of explain the variety of these and what would the purposes [00:33:00] be from taking, say a topical verse, a tincture and that sort of thing?

I think that would, that’d be another area that a lot of people could benefit from. Breaking that all down. Yeah. So it’s kind of funny. So everybody like, like they look at these, you know, the tinctures and they’re like, Oh yeah. That’s, you know, that’s how he takes CBD. And, my guess is that that really came from the fact that, you know, for a long time CBD was being made and like kitchens and that sort of thing, Raj companies, and they didn’t have, the wherewithal to make.

Capsules. and so it’s like, yeah, we’ll just put it in a dropper and you can take it that way. And that just kind of stuck. And that is, that is a way you can take it for sure. And put it under the tongue and you got to hold it there for 60 seconds and all that. And your mouth kind of tastes like hemp and, and that.

I just don’t necessarily see the reason for that because, and that’s why we don’t do tinctures. We just do soft gels because soft gels are super precise, you know, exactly how much you’re getting you take it and go. so, so that’s a, that’s another way to do it. So [00:34:00] soft gels, you know, the tinctures that’s the that’s to ingest it.

You know, you could vape it, people do vape CBD. I’m not sure how many athletes are into that. So we don’t, we don’t sell vapes, but, but those would be some of the main ones. Now there’s a lot of like, you know, CBD, infused smoothies and CBD infused all this kind of stuff. And a lot of that is just gimmick.

It’s cheap in a lot of cases, it can be, like cheap isolate, that gets put in these things. And it’s not enough, you know, to make a bit of difference, because. CBD is when you ingest it, it works best when it’s taken consistently. So it’s not like taking like an ibuprofen where you might just take that for like a day or two and then stop, or even just like a day CBD works.

Great. When you take it for extended periods of time, like you really want to get that into your endocannabinoid system and get that going. So, so those would be some of the ways that you can ingest it. The topicals are amazing for. dealing with [00:35:00] pain, pain from joints, pain from muscles, and that works by penetrating the skin and getting into the area to actually shut down the pain molecules that get released from, from the cells and the muscles and the joints.

And so that’s why people can have such. Immediate pain relief because it gets in there. when, when your body is, you know, is in, is in pain, these, these pain molecules get released and that goes to your brain and says, Hey, my knee hurts. And so CBD can, can work to counteract those pain molecules. And it’s amazing how well the, the topicals work, And again, ours is water soluble, so it penetrates the skin.

It’s not like an oil that stays on the top. It really penetrate scanning gets in there. And that’s great for endurance athletes because they can use this during events or during training. you know, we’ve got several athletes. I’ve had situations where, I would have like an ankle issue that would begin to flow.

They’re up around the 45 [00:36:00] minute to one hour Mark. And, I could put on some of the bomb and the pain goes away. Like it was great. People afterwards after hard workouts or they have some sort of injury, they rolled an ankle, they’ve got plantar fasciitis, they’ve got a back issue. cyclists have sore risks, those kinds of things.

so they can put the topical on, in a very localized, targeted way to deal with pain and inflammation, for like a specific joint or muscle issue. Awesome. That’s incredible. I love hearing that there’s multiple considerations, I guess, on deciding how to implement and how to consume like the, no, you spoke on inhalation.

I know you guys don’t use that as a method and now correct me if I’m wrong here. The bioavailability of that I guess, is higher. Yeah. Yeah, not that the bioavailable is too high. What I’m saying is it would be like the highest, like, I mean, that would be, I mean, I suppose you could inject it somehow, but, but you know, vaping would be, it would be a very, very high bioavailability, but then, but then you’re dealing with all the [00:37:00] fallout of like, What you’re doing to your lungs and that sort of thing.

Awesome. No, that’s good. Yeah. You know what I mean? I think we covered a lot of topics there and, you know, I guess as we begin to start, the wrapping is up here. I know we spent a lot of time on this and, but I do want listeners to know that there’s obviously been a ton of promising research on CBD products.

Right. And there are some studies going on, I guess. Currently on the full spectrum of conditions, like, as you mentioned, the mental health or digestive issues and skin issues and, or skin conditions and so on. Right. So there’s lots of promising health effects too, on the side of just overall performance.

Yeah. It’s amazing. The amount of, I mean, one of the things that’s happened is, and I think that within the next year or so, I think we’re going to start seeing some really interesting studies come out because one of the restrictions that. A lot of the research institutions have been under is the fact that because hemp was not federally legal, they, they, they really couldn’t study it.

It’s like if they’re taking federal money, you know, in any kind of way, like they’re going to be [00:38:00] restricted from being able to study that now that it’s legal. I think that we’re going to start seeing a lot more studies about the efficacy of CBD. and you know, there are, there are, there are already are numerous studies that are, that are out there now.

and it’s, it’s, it’s been pretty amazing to see. And when I. You know, we go to last summer, we were at events almost every week, marathons triathlons, bike races, mountain bike races, you name it, meeting with athletes, talking with them, sampling it. And just, you know, when you see athlete after athlete, after athlete having positive benefits, and like, you know, w we offer a super generous 60 day money back guarantee.

And I, I. I think maybe at the beginning of the company two years ago, I think I issued a refund once, once. I mean, that’s, you know, it’s a good track record. Yeah. It really, really is because what it says is that, that. It’s working for people and we get the testimonials come in and we love talking to [00:39:00] athletes, hearing how they, that they went from not being able to run and being on the sidelines to now they’re back to running again, or hearing how they went to their doctor with, they had a fractured ankle and they go to their doctor two weeks later and the inflammation is completely gone.

Like we hear these things. Over and over and over again. and so, you know what, we did another, another big parts even of, of like, where we come from is that education is, is, is, it is a real core principle of ours. So, you know, being able to spend time with you on your podcast and provide this information to your audience so they can make an educated, yeah.

Decision is amazing for us. And then we also, created the endurance you’ve referenced earlier at the endurance athletes guide to CBD, which is a 60 page, you know, 16 chapter book on CBD and it’s everything from, you know, how it works in the body to why, as an athlete, you’d want to take it to how to get started.

I’m completely free on our website. [00:40:00] And, but you know, because we want athletes to make. an educated decision and whatever that means that they use Venga, or they find something else that fits that fits their needs. Like that’s great, but that they’re making an educated decision. That’s that’s super important.

That’s huge. Yeah. And I’m glad you touched based so much on this education. I think that that guy book, I recommend everyone to go check out because that’s it huh? Of, you know, being comfortable taking that product as being educated on it and being informed. And you guys have went above and beyond compared to many of the companies out there on being transparent and explaining kind of what happens.

Right. So, you know, just to reiterate for say listener out there, who hasn’t tried a CBD product. They want to buy one of these products and they want to try it out and try to incorporate it into their everyday life. What would you recommend sort of the process they go through? Like, should they, you know, as far as like what beginner product they should try out, should they take it at bedtime?

What kind of dosing? You know, things like that, just to kind of get them. Started, what would you recommend? Yeah, so, it’s so interesting. You should say that because right now we’re about to be publish, a, an [00:41:00] article it’s, it’s, five mistakes athletes make when taking CBD. So, touch on what you just asked, get a good quality person, you know, one that, that you’ve done, you know, they’ve got lab reports, it’s something that fits, you know, what you, what you’re looking to do.

they’ve got some good testimonials. The company’s transparent, like that’s great. Once you’ve decided to take CBD, try to avoid these mistakes. The first one is. many athletes don’t take enough. So you want to take it consistently. You want to take it on a daily basis and keep taking it, even if you’ve gone for two weeks and you’re like, nothing’s happened, keep going.

Everybody’s body is different and everybody’s okay. Cannabinoid system is different. And so to get the endocannabinoid system primed up with CBD, it can take a while. So just be consistent with it. The second thing is, well, that’s the first, they don’t take enough. So, so, In terms of dosage, we recommend our guidelines are about 25 milligrams a day.

So that’s one of our soft gels, for example, has 25 milligrams. that would [00:42:00] be say, for, for a lot of like tinctures at UTEP, look at what your concentration is on that. Cause tinctures, that’s another thing with tinctures, like the bottles are different concentrations. You have a 500 milligram bottle, you have a thousand milligram bottle just so they know, because we do get this a lot.

The amount that they say on the bottle, like if it says, if it says like 500 milligrams, seven 50 milligrams, that’s the total amount in the bottle, not per dose. That’s the total amount. So, so. So take enough, take the 25 milligrams a day, take it consistently. That’s the second thing. A lot of times athletes take it for a little bit and they fall off and they don’t, they don’t, they don’t continue to take it.

that would be the second thing. the third is understand that CBD can play a role. In other ways. So yes, you’re taking it internally or yes, you’re rubbing it on, but, but there’s, there’s the inside and the outside the body. So some, sometimes just do one, but know that there’s, that there are multiple ones, ways that they could, that they could take it.

[00:43:00] and, related to that is understand too, that you might be taking it for pain and inflammation, but then notice. How has it improving your sleep? notice, how is it improving your gut health notice? How is it improving your mental balance, especially during this, you know, COVID period that we’re in right now, And then the final, the final thing is that, which I think is important as well, is that, many athletes don’t take  CBD on the go.

So they’re taking CBD as a daily measure, and then they go out for a long run or a long ride and they take a long ibuprofen. So they use the ibuprofen, as, as a painter. And, that’s why we came out. Like with our, with our gummies, our aid station gummies, because it’s a convenient way to take CBD on the go.

So, so if you get that, that then now you’ve got an ibuprofen replacement that you’re able to take out there with you. So yeah, those would be the top things, you know, just take it consistently, take enough of it. Realize it can help you with [00:44:00] more than just one thing and, you know, take it on the go.

Awesome. No, I love that. That’s, that’s huge. It’s been super, super informative there, and I think you can covered a lot of great topics and a lot of people will feel very educated on this product. Now, I guess when it comes to crossing borders with, with substances such as this, but to reiterate that your company’s in America right now.

Right? So I guess say Canadian listeners, European listeners, wouldn’t be able to. Get products delivered. Is that correct? You know, the Americans guys, even if there is one thing I could do, which is sell into Canada, I cannot tell you how often and how many people have contacted us from Canada saying, how can we get it here?

And boy, we have not been able to, to figure that one out. if, if any of your listeners has any ideas on how we could make that happen, we are all ears on that. So, so yes, for now, we’re, we’re, we’re us only. you know, if someone’s coming to the U S we’re happy to ship it to a friend and you can pick it up over there and take it back.

but, but yeah, we’re, we’re, [00:45:00] we’re us only at the moment. Awesome. No, that’s good. I mean, you know what, for all the American listeners you’re in lock there, but for the Canadian and European listeners out there, you guys went above and beyond there on describing on how to research other companies, right?

So you, you gave us plenty of information. So, I think that helps everyone all around. So we can’t thank you enough for doing that and taking the time for that now. Where can listeners find you guys for? So on social media and more importantly, I guess, if they want to get their hands on that endurance athletes guide that you guys wrote out work and they go for that.

Yeah. So just go to Venga cbd.com. Vanga V E N G a.  dot com. were Venga CBD on Instagram or Venga CBD on Facebook. reach out to us. We have, we have live chat. We have an 800 number, you know, email, like all the ways. If you have questions, reach out, we’re happy to answer them. You know, our thing is we just want, we want to help athletes stay in the game.

We want people to be informed and we want to have just great products and we only have three and that’s really all you need. And we don’t, it doesn’t need to be [00:46:00] complicated. We don’t need you to people to worry about, you know, do I, do I need to get CBD shampoo or a CBD Island, right? No. Like these three products, we have one for training.

That’s our everyday ultra gels, one for racing, and long, long things. That’s our gummies. And then the recovery stuff. I think that’s the thing that people, you know, again, people have gotten really confused because they’re like, ah, there’s so many different products and they just inject into everything.

So we want to make it really simple for people. but just go to vinca CBD, reach out. We’re here to, you know, help people educate them. there are stories learn as well, and you know, continue to, to put out great products. To help people do the sport they love, because like I said, at the beginning, you know, when you’re sidelined with an injury and you can’t do your thing, it sucks.

And, and, and yeah, you know, the other thing too, is that, you know, every day we’re getting older and those, those PRS that we said a couple of years ago, those seem to get sometimes further and further away. And so [00:47:00] how can we, we hack our age a bit and, and, recover maybe the way we used to. So that’s another, another reason to take a look at it as well.

Huge. Yeah. I love that. That’s incredible. And you know, like keep it simple. I love that. Just, you know how the few products that work, let’s not get too fancy with it and let’s not get crazy and get confused overall. So a huge man, I really appreciate you taking the time with that. And anything else that we might’ve forgotten that you would kind of want shed some light on before we, log off the air here?

I, you know, I just, I always try to keep in the back of my mind the first time I ever took CBD and like how it can be. I don’t know if scary is the right word, but just like, Oh my God, what’s going to happen. And, and so we. You know, that’s something that we really pay attention to that, you know, this is new for us.

A lot of people, you know, my mom thought this stuff was the devil. in fact, back in the day, and now she’s the biggest fan because it helps her out with her, with her golf elbow and, or, you know, whatever, a tennis elbow and her and her neck. So, you know, give it a, give it a try, you know, jump in, see how it, see how it goes.

And, [00:48:00] you know, No, that you’re making an investment in your body, right. You’re using an all natural plant based remedy, as opposed to, you know, a chemical that’s coming out of a. We know a manufacturing plant. This is nature’s plant, not a manufacturing plant. Huge. Yeah. That’s so true. Awesome. Yeah. Good stuff, man.

Obviously, Jay, you know, I can’t thank you again enough. It’s been super inspiring and informative chat with you today and you know what, man, that’s a wrap. It’s a, a, you know, stay safe. Of course stays healthy and all the best, man. Yeah. Steven, thanks so much for doing what you’re doing and with this podcast and helping educate people.

It’s, it’s really an honor to be on here and, and, yeah, thanks so much. Awesome. Well, that’s a wrap with Jay O’Hare founder of Vanga CBD. Thanks so much for listening guys. And if you enjoy this episode among others, and please just take a minute to open up the Apple podcast app on your iPhone search, pacing racing, and then just be sure and scroll down to the bottom and just leave us a quick written review.

It takes less than a minute to do, but it goes a long way and helping me out. So to all who do that, thanks so much. That’s highly appreciated. And [00:49:00] other than that guys, happy training. Anyone train with me on Swift then drop me a fall away. Searching Steven Lang housing. Anyway guys, take care. Chat soon.

Cheers. [00:50:00] .

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